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Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:27 pm

We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0 Customers, on our website now.
It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac
Best Regards,
Stewart McSherry Xfrog Inc. 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
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Re: Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:44 pm

Hello John
Xfrog 5 for Maya, and Xfrog 5 for C4D, do not produce shareable hierarchies.
Instead what we are doing is integrating as far as we can inside each software.
Xfrog 5 for Maya allows local editing of components, as if you had a non-procedural model, but it stays procedural during the editing. As for your question regarding collections, all libraries are made in Xfrog 3.5 and saved as .xfr files, so they can be opened in Xfrog 3.5, Xfrog 5 for c4d and Xfrog 5 for Maya. (With the exception of Landscaping, which uses extensive postwork to do complex trimming, and Asia, which is built with Xfrog 5 for Maya)
As a Xfrog 5 for C4D user, you have access to 29 libraries of .xfr files, and all 31 libraries have .c4d mesh so you can drag and drop them into c4d without any Xfrog software or any import plugin.
I hope you can think about purchasing plants or software while we have our 30%
Discount Sale running (for 15 more days)
Thanks for the questions,
Stewart McSherry Xfrog Inc. 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
Malibu Ca 90265
310 456 1704
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Stewart,
Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality? Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations.
Thanks for any info you can provide!
-John W.
--- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0 Customers, on our website now. > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > Best Regards, > > Stewart McSherry > Xfrog Inc. > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> Malibu Ca 90265
> 310 456 1704
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Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:01 am

Stewart,
Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality? Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations.
Thanks for any info you can provide!
-John W.
--- "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0 Customers, on our website now. > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > Best Regards, > > Stewart McSherry > Xfrog Inc. > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> Malibu Ca 90265
> 310 456 1704
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Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:06 pm

Stewart,
Thanks for the info. The new Asia library happens to be one of the most interesting for me, so I'm a bit disappointed that Xfrog5-C4D cannot open its hierarchies. Is it your intent to continue producing new libraries using 3.5, or will new libraries from now on be implemented using Xfrog5-Maya?
I understand the compatibility picture for existing libraries, but am trying to understand what the situation will be for future content -- I'm less interested in importing .c4d versions, so if future libraries will be done using Xfrog5-Maya and Xfrog5-C4D won't be able to load their hierarchies, I'd consider that a significant limitation.
Also, can you provide some detail as to how the surfacing for existing library plants (excluding Landscaping & Asia) import when Xfrog5-C4D opens their .xfr hierarchies? MAXON added a fast new SSS shader in R13, and I'm wondering how difficult it would be to change the leaf materials to incorporate the R13 SSs shader? I also use MaxwellRender for many renders, so better understanding how .xfr-imported plants are surfaced will also let me judge how much effort will be needed to prepare them for rendering using Maxwell.
I'm evaluating for a foliage solution ASAP, so if Xfrog5-C4D meets my requirements, I'm definitely hoping to take advantage of the 30% discount offer.
Thanks!
-John W.
--- "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > Hello John > > Xfrog 5 for Maya, and Xfrog 5 for C4D, do not produce shareable hierarchies.
Instead what we are doing is integrating as far as we can inside each software.
Xfrog 5 for Maya allows local editing of components, as if you had a non-procedural model, but it stays procedural during the editing. As for your question regarding collections, all libraries are made in Xfrog 3.5 and saved as .xfr files, so they can be opened in Xfrog 3.5, Xfrog 5 for c4d and Xfrog 5 for Maya. (With the exception of Landscaping, which uses extensive postwork to do complex trimming, and Asia, which is built with Xfrog 5 for Maya)
> > As a Xfrog 5 for C4D user, you have access to 29 libraries of .xfr files, and all 31 libraries have .c4d mesh so you can drag and drop them into c4d without any Xfrog software or any import plugin. > > I hope you can think about purchasing plants or software while we have our 30%
Discount Sale running (for 15 more days)
> > Thanks for the questions, > > Stewart McSherry > Xfrog Inc. > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> Malibu Ca 90265
> 310 456 1704
> www.xfrog.com > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> From: jwiede > To: xfrog@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:01 Am > Subject: [xfrog] Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users > > > > > > Stewart, > > Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality? Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
> > I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations. > > Thanks for any info you can provide!
> > -John W. > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0
Customers, on our website now. > > > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Stewart McSherry > > Xfrog Inc. > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > Malibu Ca 90265
> > 310 456 1704
> > www.xfrog.com > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:06 pm

Actually, disregard my question about surfacing. I played around with the 5.0.2
demo a bit using some of the demo .xfr's available. I was able to explore how the surfacing imports for .xfr hierarchies, and how easy it is to add attributes like SSS to the imported materials (very straightforward, just requires editing however many leaf materials there are in that .xfr).
I'd still be very interested in any info you can give about whether it's the company intent to produce future XFrog libraries using Xfrog 3.5 format, or switch over to using Xfrog5-Maya format from now on?
Thanks!
-John W.
--- "jwiede" wrote: > > > > Stewart, > > Thanks for the info. The new Asia library happens to be one of the most interesting for me, so I'm a bit disappointed that Xfrog5-C4D cannot open its hierarchies. Is it your intent to continue producing new libraries using 3.5, or will new libraries from now on be implemented using Xfrog5-Maya?
> > I understand the compatibility picture for existing libraries, but am trying to understand what the situation will be for future content -- I'm less interested in importing .c4d versions, so if future libraries will be done using Xfrog5-Maya and Xfrog5-C4D won't be able to load their hierarchies, I'd consider that a significant limitation. > > Also, can you provide some detail as to how the surfacing for existing library plants (excluding Landscaping & Asia) import when Xfrog5-C4D opens their .xfr hierarchies? MAXON added a fast new SSS shader in R13, and I'm wondering how difficult it would be to change the leaf materials to incorporate the R13 SSs shader? I also use MaxwellRender for many renders, so better understanding how .xfr-imported plants are surfaced will also let me judge how much effort will be needed to prepare them for rendering using Maxwell. > > I'm evaluating for a foliage solution ASAP, so if Xfrog5-C4D meets my requirements, I'm definitely hoping to take advantage of the 30% discount offer. > > Thanks!
> > -John W. > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > Hello John > > > > Xfrog 5 for Maya, and Xfrog 5 for C4D, do not produce shareable hierarchies. Instead what we are doing is integrating as far as we can inside each software.
Xfrog 5 for Maya allows local editing of components, as if you had a non-procedural model, but it stays procedural during the editing. As for your question regarding collections, all libraries are made in Xfrog 3.5 and saved as .xfr files, so they can be opened in Xfrog 3.5, Xfrog 5 for c4d and Xfrog 5 for Maya. (With the exception of Landscaping, which uses extensive postwork to do complex trimming, and Asia, which is built with Xfrog 5 for Maya)
> > > > As a Xfrog 5 for C4D user, you have access to 29 libraries of .xfr files, and all 31 libraries have .c4d mesh so you can drag and drop them into c4d without any Xfrog software or any import plugin. > > > > I hope you can think about purchasing plants or software while we have our 30% Discount Sale running (for 15 more days)
> > > > Thanks for the questions, > > > > Stewart McSherry > > Xfrog Inc. > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > Malibu Ca 90265
> > 310 456 1704
> > www.xfrog.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jwiede > > To: xfrog@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:01 Am > > Subject: [xfrog] Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users > > > > > > > > > > > > Stewart, > > > > Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality? Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
> > > > I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations. > > > > Thanks for any info you can provide!
> > > > -John W. > > > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0
Customers, on our website now. > > > > > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Stewart McSherry > > > Xfrog Inc. > > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > > Malibu Ca 90265
> > > 310 456 1704
> > > www.xfrog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:17 pm

Stewart, can you provide any info about whether future libraries produced by XFrog are expected in V3.5 format, or the new V5-Maya format?
I really would have liked to take advantage of the sale pricing, but was waiting to hear back on that issue. I'm just trying to understand what owning V5-C4D means in terms of future libraries, as well as existing ones (which you already answered, many thanks for that). Any info appreciated!
--- "jwiede" wrote: > > Actually, disregard my question about surfacing. I played around with the 5.0.2 demo a bit using some of the demo .xfr's available. I was able to explore how the surfacing imports for .xfr hierarchies, and how easy it is to add attributes like SSS to the imported materials (very straightforward, just requires editing however many leaf materials there are in that .xfr). > > I'd still be very interested in any info you can give about whether it's the company intent to produce future XFrog libraries using Xfrog 3.5 format, or switch over to using Xfrog5-Maya format from now on?
> > Thanks!
> > -John W. > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "jwiede" jfw@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Stewart, > > > > Thanks for the info. The new Asia library happens to be one of the most interesting for me, so I'm a bit disappointed that Xfrog5-C4d cannot open its hierarchies. Is it your intent to continue producing new libraries using 3.5, or will new libraries from now on be implemented using Xfrog5-Maya?
> > > > I understand the compatibility picture for existing libraries, but am trying to understand what the situation will be for future content --
I'm less interested in importing .c4d versions, so if future libraries will be done using Xfrog5-Maya and Xfrog5-C4D won't be able to load their hierarchies, I'd consider that a significant limitation. > > > > Also, can you provide some detail as to how the surfacing for existing library plants (excluding Landscaping & Asia) import when Xfrog5-C4D opens their .xfr hierarchies? MAXON added a fast new SSs shader in R13, and I'm wondering how difficult it would be to change the leaf materials to incorporate the R13 SSS shader? I also use MaxwellRender for many renders, so better understanding how .xfr-imported plants are surfaced will also let me judge how much effort will be needed to prepare them for rendering using Maxwell. > > > > I'm evaluating for a foliage solution ASAP, so if Xfrog5-C4D meets my requirements, I'm definitely hoping to take advantage of the 30%
discount offer. > > > > Thanks!
> > > > -John W. > > > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > > > Hello John > > > > > > Xfrog 5 for Maya, and Xfrog 5 for C4D, do not produce shareable hierarchies. Instead what we are doing is integrating as far as we can inside each software. Xfrog 5 for Maya allows local editing of components, as if you had a non-procedural model, but it stays procedural during the editing. As for your question regarding collections, all libraries are made in Xfrog 3.5 and saved as .xfr files, so they can be opened in Xfrog 3.5, Xfrog 5 for c4d and Xfrog 5
for Maya. (With the exception of Landscaping, which uses extensive postwork to do complex trimming, and Asia, which is built with Xfrog 5
for Maya)
> > > > > > As a Xfrog 5 for C4D user, you have access to 29 libraries of .xfr files, and all 31 libraries have .c4d mesh so you can drag and drop them into c4d without any Xfrog software or any import plugin. > > > > > > I hope you can think about purchasing plants or software while we have our 30% Discount Sale running (for 15 more days)
> > > > > > Thanks for the questions, > > > > > > Stewart McSherry > > > Xfrog Inc. > > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > > Malibu Ca 90265
> > > 310 456 1704
> > > www.xfrog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: jwiede > > > To: xfrog@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:01 Am > > > Subject: [xfrog] Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stewart, > > > > > > Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality?
Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
> > > > > > I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations. > > > > > > Thanks for any info you can provide!
> > > > > > -John W. > > > > > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > > > > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0 Customers, on our website now. > > > > > > > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Stewart McSherry > > > > Xfrog Inc. > > > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > > > Malibu Ca 90265
> > > > 310 456 1704
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Re: Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Postby Archives » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:49 pm

We expect to build some libraries using Xfrog 5 for Maya, especially ones targeted towards common plant animation requests.
and we will continue to build many more libaries using Xfrog 3.5
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:18 Pm Subject: [xfrog] Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users

Stewart, can you provide any info about whether future libraries produced by XFrog are expected in V3.5 format, or the new V5-Maya format?
I really would have liked to take advantage of the sale pricing, but was waiting to hear back on that issue. I'm just trying to understand what owning V5-C4D means in terms of future libraries, as well as existing ones (which you already answered, many thanks for that). Any info appreciated!
--- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "jwiede" wrote: > > Actually, disregard my question about surfacing. I played around with the 5.0.2 demo a bit using some of the demo .xfr's available. I was able to explore how the surfacing imports for .xfr hierarchies, and how easy it is to add attributes like SSS to the imported materials (very straightforward, just requires editing however many leaf materials there are in that .xfr). > > I'd still be very interested in any info you can give about whether it's the company intent to produce future XFrog libraries using Xfrog 3.5 format, or switch over to using Xfrog5-Maya format from now on?
> > Thanks!
> > -John W. > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "jwiede" jfw@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Stewart, > > > > Thanks for the info. The new Asia library happens to be one of the most interesting for me, so I'm a bit disappointed that Xfrog5-C4d cannot open its hierarchies. Is it your intent to continue producing new libraries using 3.5, or will new libraries from now on be implemented using Xfrog5-Maya?
> > > > I understand the compatibility picture for existing libraries, but am trying to understand what the situation will be for future content --
I'm less interested in importing .c4d versions, so if future libraries will be done using Xfrog5-Maya and Xfrog5-C4D won't be able to load their hierarchies, I'd consider that a significant limitation. > > > > Also, can you provide some detail as to how the surfacing for existing library plants (excluding Landscaping & Asia) import when Xfrog5-C4D opens their .xfr hierarchies? MAXON added a fast new SSs shader in R13, and I'm wondering how difficult it would be to change the leaf materials to incorporate the R13 SSS shader? I also use MaxwellRender for many renders, so better understanding how .xfr-imported plants are surfaced will also let me judge how much effort will be needed to prepare them for rendering using Maxwell. > > > > I'm evaluating for a foliage solution ASAP, so if Xfrog5-C4D meets my requirements, I'm definitely hoping to take advantage of the 30%
discount offer. > > > > Thanks!
> > > > -John W. > > > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > > > Hello John > > > > > > Xfrog 5 for Maya, and Xfrog 5 for C4D, do not produce shareable hierarchies. Instead what we are doing is integrating as far as we can inside each software. Xfrog 5 for Maya allows local editing of components, as if you had a non-procedural model, but it stays procedural during the editing. As for your question regarding collections, all libraries are made in Xfrog 3.5 and saved as .xfr files, so they can be opened in Xfrog 3.5, Xfrog 5 for c4d and Xfrog 5
for Maya. (With the exception of Landscaping, which uses extensive postwork to do complex trimming, and Asia, which is built with Xfrog 5
for Maya)
> > > > > > As a Xfrog 5 for C4D user, you have access to 29 libraries of .xfr files, and all 31 libraries have .c4d mesh so you can drag and drop them into c4d without any Xfrog software or any import plugin. > > > > > > I hope you can think about purchasing plants or software while we have our 30% Discount Sale running (for 15 more days)
> > > > > > Thanks for the questions, > > > > > > Stewart McSherry > > > Xfrog Inc. > > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > > Malibu Ca 90265
> > > 310 456 1704
> > > www.xfrog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: jwiede > > > To: xfrog@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:01 Am > > > Subject: [xfrog] Re: Xfrog 5.02 Update for C4D Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stewart, > > > > > > Can you give us some idea of what features Xfrog5-Maya offers, but which have yet to be implemented in Xfrog5-C4D? Will all general Xfrog5-Maya features eventually be added to Xfrog5-C4D in time, or will Xfrog5-C4D owners have to upgrade to reach equivalent functionality?
Finally, for plant sets like the new Asia set, created in Xfrog5-Maya, can their hierarchies also be loaded and edited in Xfrog5-C4D just as in Maya?
> > > > > > I'm really impressed with Xfrog5-C4D so far, but wanted to be sure that new collections done using Xfrog5-Maya can also be edited in Xfrog5-C4D in the same way -- otherwise, that's likely a deal-breaker for me. I'm extremely interested in the new Asia collection, as well, but only if I can get in there and edit the hierarchies and make my own variations. > > > > > > Thanks for any info you can provide!
> > > > > > -John W. > > > > > > --- In xfrog@yahoogroups.com, "Stewart McSherry" wrote: > > > > > > > > We have released Xfrog 5.02 for C4D, a free update for Xfrog 5.0 Customers, on our website now. > > > > > > > > It contains bug fixes and Import XFR hierarchy support for Win and Mac > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Stewart McSherry > > > > Xfrog Inc. > > > > 20202 Pacific Coast Hwy # 11
> > > > Malibu Ca 90265
> > > > 310 456 1704
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